I agree with the article regarding shy and not wanting to make the first move. However for me. That only applies to the first date and first kiss. After that i don't wait for anything. And I am not really shy. For me its about hunting them. I watch how they move. What words they use. I am studying them. So i am not thinking about my tongue in her ear, or my fingers inside her vagina. I am learning her behaviors. Its possible i may never get past the moment to want to kiss her if her behaviors are less than to me. So My question is. When is the correct moment in general to kiss. Like not for me. But for her. When would she want to kiss me. Then where would she kiss me? In the car. At the door. At the coffee place. or picini area. Where ever the date is?? do you wait after you eat. Or do you just leap up and stick your tongue down. I have never ever in my life kissed someone first. Its not going to happen.....however after i see how she moves. Then she has to use a crowbar to get rid of me. hehehe Ok Thank you in advance.